This session will focus on bringing up children in the training and admonition of the Lord in terms of the Christian view of nature and man. We will examine what Christian parents need to teach their children in order to prepare them to face a world of climate revolutionaries. What issues should parents focus on? What scripture do they need to teach? What terminology should parents expose their children to and how it relates to biblical language on the issues. What scientific facts are important to the discussion.

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Welcome to the Church and Family Life podcast. I'm Scott Brown and I'm here with Jason Doe, who's the pastor at Sovereign Redeemer Community Church right here locally. Hey Jason. Hi Scott. Okay so Church and Family Life exists to proclaim the sufficiency of Scripture for the spread of the gospel across the generations.

Now today we have with us Dr. Calvin Beisner who is the national spokesman and the founder of the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. Now he's written a bunch of books. You should go look at his books. He's got some great books, Psalms of Promise and all kinds of stuff.

And he's published lots of really helpful materials on this matter of climate. And we want today, Calvin, to talk about how to prepare children to face the climate revolutionaries. Boy, they're all over the place, aren't they? And rising. Sure are.

You know, we parents have a responsibility to bring their children up in the training and the admonition of the Lord and understanding our place in the universe is very, very important in that and to declare a Christian worldview of man and creation. So today we want to just examine some of those things and and and Cal to get your best wisdom about that and I'd like for us to cover all kinds of things what's happening today who's involved what kind of terminology are we facing What are the things parents need to teach their children? I think trying to cover those things would be really helpful. But I want to start with some quotations. Okay.

It seems like the entertainers of the world know so much about man and creation. For example, Leonardo DiCaprio. This is the most urgent threat facing our entire species and we need to work collectively together and stop procrastinating. And then Arnold Schwarzenegger, actor, former governor of California. I've starred in a lot of science fiction movies and let me tell you something.

Climate change is not science fiction. This is a battle for the real world. It is impacting us right now. My favorite, my favorite climate activist, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. We don't have time to sit on our hands as our planet burns.

It is life or death. Well, how I could go on and on and on about these kind of terrifying announcements. And it's very interesting. Some of the most popular people in the world, Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Bill Gates, you know, Bill Nye, the science guy, about everybody you can name in entertainment and, and, and, pseudoscience and industry, are sounding these warnings. So, so I, I have a lot of questions, you know, for you about this.

So I just, I just read those quotes. What's, what has come to your mind, Cal, just reading those quotes? Well, I suppose the first thing is that we don't really want to go to entertainers to get our best on whether it's science or theology or anything else. They're really good at memorizing lines, They're really good at acting parts. I mean, that's wonderful, and it's a gift of God for them.

But that's not the same thing as having done any significant study of climate science or anything related to that. And so we need to, for one thing, not go to fake authorities. Second, we need to do what the Apostle Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5.21, test all things, hold fast what is good. That's something that I just repeat to people over and over again. And frankly, it's the key to science.

The late Nobel Prize winning physicist, Richard Feynman, has a fascinating little clip on YouTube from a lecture that he did clear back in 1964 called The Key to Science. Anybody can look that up easily enough, just look for Richard Feynman, that's F-E-Y-N-M-A-N, The Key to Science. And in it, he points out that the key to science is that you have a guess as to how something works in nature, and then you make predictions based on what you ought to see in the world if your guess is true. And then you make real-world observations, whether they're out in the wilderness or in a laboratory or whatever. If your observations contradict your guess, then your theory is wrong.

And it doesn't matter how smart you are or how beautiful your theory was. It doesn't matter how many people agree with you, if the observations contradict the, the guests, the predictions, on the, from your guests, then your guess is wrong. And you have to go back to the, to the drawing board and start over. Well, okay. So, okay.

So with that, what is the proposition of the climate alarmist? Could you just try to state that as best you can? Yeah. Well, the proposition of the climate alarmists is that by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels to provide electricity and transport fuel. We are causing a dangerous warming of the Earth, of the lower atmosphere of the Earth, that this warming is in fact so dangerous that it's going to be catastrophic and that we absolutely must stop this.

And the way to stop it is to reduce, to eventually eliminate our emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. And that will require that we change from using fossil fuels, coal, oil, and natural gas, to using wind, solar, and other so-called renewable or alternative energy sources. The cost of this would be trillions and trillions of dollars over the century. Indeed, the best estimate, the most likely estimate, is that it would be between $1 and $2 trillion to the global economy every year from now to the end of the century. That's roughly $80 trillion.

That's a whole lot of money. And the best estimate of the difference in warming that would be generated by spending all that money – that's what it would cost, by the way, to implement the Paris Climate Agreement – is that we would reduce global average temperature in the year 2100 by three-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit. If you actually, initially this was calculated on the assumption that it was from 2030 to 2100. When that was the case, That meant $70 trillion for three-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit of temperature reduction. That's $23.3 to $46.6 trillion per tenth of a degree Fahrenheit of temperature reduction.

That amount of temperature reduction is not even sensible to anybody. Nobody can tell what's happened. We certainly cannot measure it on a global scale. What what do you think is the human contribution to warming? Is there a human contribution warming?

If so, how significant is it? Yeah, that's the big proposition. We have to stop warming the earth. Right. Well, you know, carbon dioxide is what's called an infrared absorbing gas.

When energy comes from the sun, It comes in as light. That's in the visible spectrum of the radiation spectrum. When it strikes the surface of the Earth or clouds in the air or something like that, any solid or liquid, some of that energy bounces back. And it bounces back not in the visible spectrum, but in the heat spectrum. And that's called infrared, and as that infrared energy bounces back out towards space, which is how the Earth cools itself.

If it didn't do that, the Earth would get warmer and warmer and warmer, and we would indeed boil. But as it does that, some gases in the atmosphere, most importantly, water vapor And water vapor and clouds together probably constitute about 90 to 95 percent of the absorption of this infrared radiation and then the radiating of it back out from these molecules, some of it back to the surface of the Earth. Water vapor and clouds constitute about 90 to 95 percent of the greenhouse effect. Carbon dioxide, somewhere around four and a half percent. Methane, perhaps half a percent.

And then a number of other gases, the remainder. We emit carbon dioxide when we burn fossil fuels. And so it's in terms of the basic physics, The answer is yes, we certainly are contributing to the warming of the Earth. We're making the atmosphere warmer than it otherwise would be. The really fascinating question is how much warmer?

And although some computer models suggest that for every doubling of the carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere, you would cause directly plus indirectly, somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 4.5 degrees Celsius of increased global average temperature, the best empirical estimates, the modeling that is based on empirical observation rather than pure theory, suggests that the warming effect is a whole lot less, probably in the range of a quarter of a degree Celsius to perhaps 1.75 or so degrees Celsius. At any rate, yes, we contribute, but I don't think there's any way to justify the conclusion that what we're contributing is dangerous. In fact, nobody knows what's the optimum temperature for the Earth. And what we do know is that significantly cooler than today is really problematic, because you get a whole lot less plant growth. You get less agricultural production.

Those are the periods when humanity has suffered starvation and disease and the warmer periods have been much, much better for us. We just don't know what's the optimal. Hey, when I was in high school, my high school teachers were trying to scare us because the earth was getting colder. We were going into a, another ice age. You know, I remember that, you know, really clearly.

Okay. What, what are the worldview drivers behind all of this? Well, that's a, that's a really significant question because I think that from our, our biblical worldview that says that an infinitely wise, God designed and an infinitely powerful God created and an infinitely faithful God sustains this earth. From that worldview what we ought to expect is to find the earth and its various different natural systems to be, how could we put it, robust, resilient, self-correcting, rather than extremely fragile and prone to be driven to catastrophic collapse by minor perturbations. And yet the whole climate alarmist idea hinges on the notion that the Earth's climate system is dominated by what are called positive feedback mechanisms.

That is, mechanisms that would magnify the impact of any forcing, any influence from outside the system itself, over and over again in a feedback loop, positive feedback loop, that would lead to catastrophic results. And what we find in nature itself, if we're willing to use the word nature for a minute, and frankly the idea of nature, typical in most scientific discourses of something that is completely divorced from God, from divine influence, But if we're willing to use that word for just discussions purposes, what we find in nature is that negative feedback mechanisms dominate over positive feedback mechanisms in pretty much everything. And that shouldn't surprise us because if it were otherwise, we'd have had collapse a long, long time ago. We've had all kinds of things that have caused global average temperature, for example, as one example of many different things in nature, to rise and to fall. Well, if the climate system were dominated by positive feedback mechanisms, then as soon as you got temperature rising, it would continue to rise without end.

And you wouldn't have the cycles of rising and falling and rising and falling that our climate history shows. And so I think that what we see is the confirmation of this biblical understanding that the wise God designed the climate system to be robust, resilient, and self-correcting. And it does that through a number of different mechanisms, probably the most important of which in terms of global average temperature is the formation of clouds. Because clouds, because of their shiny tops, reflect solar radiation in the visible spectrum back out towards space, thus cooling the earth. Low-level clouds do that.

And low-level clouds warm the surface of the earth. I'm sorry, high-level clouds, stratospheric clouds, warm the surface of the Earth by letting more solar radiation through. And what's really fascinating, and this was discovered by a number of different climate scientists, but one of them is Dr. Roy Spencer, who's actually the senior fellow for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. He's a principal research scientist in climatology at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, a dear Christian friend of mine.

Roy, who is one of the two scientists at the University of Alabama who are in charge of NASA's satellite global temperature monitoring system, Roy found using satellite instrumentation that clouds respond by cooling the climate as it's warming and by warming the climate as it cools. So basically clouds are a thermostat, which is really interesting because in Job, at one point we read that God has made the clouds of garment for the sea. Now back at the time that Job was written, garments didn't tend to be worn very much for ornamentation. They were worn for temperature control. And so the scriptures tell us that God made the clouds a garment for the sea.

As the world warms more, low-level clouds increase to cool it. As the world cools more, low-level clouds decrease to warm it. So that's just one of various different ways in which all of this works. Cal, that's a good transition point to just sort of shift to theology for a minute. Who is God and what has He said?

When you think about texts of Scripture that would help guide us through how we deal with what's being said and who's saying it, What are the top few critical texts of Scripture? Yeah, well, I mentioned one earlier, and that was 1 Thessalonians 521, test all things, hold fast what is good. That's really a part of the root of the development of scientific method in the Western world, which was based on the biblical worldview that a rational God created an orderly universe to be understood by rational creatures made in his image. And so we would also add into this Genesis 1, 26 through 28, that says that God made man in his own image, in the image of God made he him, male and female, he made them, and he commanded them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth to subdue it and to have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, and everything that moves on the face of the sea, of the earth. So humanity is supposed to represent God on the earth and to rule as his representative and to do that in a way that reflects the image of God in humanity.

And so that means that our ruling of the earth should be driven by reason, which is informed to start with by divine revelation. We start with what God himself has said, and we're supposed to reflect somehow how God did things. Well, if you just started out reading your Bible for the first time, you'd never read anything else about the image of God. What would you know about the image of God by the time you got to verses 26 through 28? You'd know what you'd seen about God in verses one through 25, that God made all things out of nothing, that he brought light out of darkness, he brought order out of chaos, he brought life out of non-life, he brought a great abundance of life, and he told all the different life forms to be fertile and to be fruitful and multiply.

This is the kind of thing that ought to characterize our human dominion over the earth. So this is why in the Cornwall Alliance, we tend to say, you know, a godly dominion, based on Genesis 1.28, means that men and women work together lovingly, loving each other, loving God, loving the earth to enhance the fruitfulness, the beauty and the safety of the earth to the glory of God and the benefit of our neighbors. Those kinds of ideas are inherent in what's called the Cornwall Declaration on Environmental Stewardship, which people can read at our website, CornwallAlliance.org. Genesis 131 is another key text that when God had finished all that he had made, behold, it was very good. I mentioned before how Dr.

Roy Spencer had done experiments using satellite instrumentation, showing that clouds act as a thermostat to keep the world, to keep global temperature from rising too much or falling too much. It was actually his meditation on that verse that spurred his devising the experiments that led to that conclusion. He realized that the whole global warming nightmare scenario depended on an extremely fragile, positive feedback loop driven climate system. And he thought, that doesn't fit the notion of something being very good, that would be very bad. What can I do as a scientist to find out whether indeed the feedback mechanisms that dominate the climate system are positive or negative?

And he devised the experiment that he did over a period of well over a decade using NASA satellites and found what he found, which was quite profound. Cal, if I could just break in for a minute and go back to Genesis 1, 26 through 28, often known as the Dominion Mandate. It ends with command by God for us to be fruitful and multiply, which means that having children isn't bad stewardship according to Scripture, it's actually good stewardship. And if that really goes to the heart of the conflict, It really is a worldview conflict. If you believe that the Bible is revelation of truth from God who knows more than us, then you say having babies is actually good stewardship.

But if you come from this other perspective that defines out God from knowledge at the very beginning, then you end up with these things that totally contradict that. Yeah. Yeah. And part of the sad thing is that a lot of the climate alarmist movement is actually driven by the population control movement. Of course, the idea that the world is overpopulated, it goes back very, very far.

I mean, you actually see a hint of it in Genesis where Abraham and Lot occupy a particular area of land and Lot says, hey, our families and our flocks are too big for this land to sustain us. We need to split up here. And Lot chooses the very fertile land that he can see, Abraham just trusts the Lord. He tells Lot, you choose what you want, I'll take what you don't choose. And he just trusts the Lord.

And Lot, of course, as we know, lines up with the problems of Sodom and Gomorrah and all of that. Abraham lines up being greatly blessed and the father of many nations and through him all the nations of the world have been blessed. But their division there, their split, started with the notion that the land was not sufficient to sustain them. Now, they and their families and their servants might have numbered, oh, perhaps a few thousand, Maybe. Well, that same land now supports many millions of people.

And the reason why it does is that frankly it's not the land that supports people. It's people who support people. People transforming, making use of, cultivating, enhancing, improving the raw materials that are in the earth. At any rate, the notion that population growth threatens the depletion of resources, threatens to pollute the world to death, things like that, has a fairly long history. And the good news is that it's an entirely long history.

Back in the 1990s, early 1990s, I edited a great big fat book called The State of Humanity. The general editor for that was the late Dr. Julian Simon, one of the leading scholars in the whole field of demography and resource economics. And we had 58 chapters by 60 authors, eight of whom were Nobel Prize winners. And this thing was just loaded with long-term data on all kinds of different measurements of the well-being of humanity, of the environment, of resources and so on.

One of the things that we showed in quite a number of different chapters in that book is that the long-term inflation-adjusted and more importantly wage-adjusted price of every single resource that we extract from the earth, whether it's mineral, vegetable, or animal, is sharply downward. And since price measures scarcity, if you've got rising scarcity, If things are less and less abundant, you're gonna have rising price. If you have falling scarcity, if things are more and more abundant, you'll have falling price. Well, the falling price tells us that all these resources are becoming less scarce, not more scarce over time. And that's precisely because human beings made in God's image are making more and more out of less and less reflecting the fact that God made everything out of nothing.

Right and that really is a reflection of the dominion mandate and the productivity that man brings to the world. That's really a theological bedrock of all these things. You know, when you asked your question, Jason, I was thinking about the Psalms over and over again in the Psalms, David talks about God's control over the world. You know, he touches the mountains and they smoke. He gives food to the animals.

You get to the New Testament and the Lord Jesus rules the wind and the waves. This last weekend I preached on John 21 where Jesus tells the disciples to throw their nets on the other side of the boat. Well, Jesus controls the fish. You know, he puts a coin in the mouth of a fish and guides it to the shore. And the poll taxes are extracted.

He causes a fish to swallow a man in the book of Jonah. So God controls the fish, He controls the wind, He controls the waves, He controls everything in the world, and He created it. And I think that's an important theological matter to just recognize that God is the ruler of everything. Cal, I hate it that we often get painted into the corner as if we don't care about the earth and good stewardship. So are there a few things that you can think of that Christian parents can be helping their children to understand, just in terms of good stewardship practices, things we should be doing to take good care of the world we're living in?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, pretty simple, pretty obvious, common sense things like turn the water faucet off when you're not using the water. Turn the light out when you leave the room. Don't just waste things. Certainly don't throw your trash out the car window as you're going down the highway.

These are pretty obvious things. Some recycling makes very good sense. Some, by the way, doesn't. And actually it can change from place to place and from time to time. But for example, recycling aluminum is generally very, very sensible.

Recycling glass is typically not very sensible. Recycling paper can make sense in some locations and not in others. So it's something where unfortunately you can't just have a rule of thumb. We want to learn certain principles of the management of the Earth. I mean, for example, the disastrous wildfires that we've been seeing in California, Oregon, and Washington this year and in several recent years.

Some folks have blamed those on global warming. Now, actually there is no statistically significant correlation between global warming and the number of wildfires or the number of acres burned by them. But instead, the real correlation is between the lack of forest management and the wildfires. Actually, we had far more wildfires prior to the 1940s, and they burned far more land than since the 1940s, even in these recent years. During the period from the 1920s through 1960s into the early 1970s, we tended to practice forest management that meant that we were removing trees, using their wood for a variety of different purposes.

We were clearing undergrowth and as a result, there wasn't an awful lot of fuel there to burn. From the 1960s on, we adopted through most of the national forests and many state forests, a sort of a leave it alone kind of a policy is if nature knows best. That is, by the way, a total fallacy, but nature doesn't know anything. But we stopped doing that forest management, and as a result, you had a massive buildup of trees, of undergrowth, of fallen branches and leaves and things that resulted in a whole lot of fuel. Well, if you have fuel and you have oxygen and you have ignition, you're going to have fires.

And it doesn't matter whether the outdoor temperature is 100 degrees or 30 degrees. If you have enough dry fuel and you have enough oxygen and then you provide ignition whether through a lightning strike or somebody tossing out a cigarette or something like that, you're gonna have fires and the more fuel you have the more they're going to rage. So one of the things that we need to do is simply to learn some pretty basic principles of how to manage the the creation around us so as to make it healthy and sustainable. That's one of the reasons why I frankly I really wish that a lot of Christians would indeed major in ecological studies. The risk of course is that the ecological field is heavily dominated by non-Christians.

And so you really need to learn your worldview and learn your values, your morals and stuff before you get into that, or else you're likely to be led astray. But Cornwall Alliance at our website, CornwallAlliance.org, tries to provide an awful lot of material to help Christians in that. So Cal, we've just experienced a COVID-19 lockdown. And I keep reading climate alarmists saying that we're going to have a climate lockdown. It's a real threat.

It's being called a public health crisis, banning vehicles, eating red meat, overhauling capitalism, going green, reshaping government. So what are your thoughts about that? It's all a waste. It's just a total waste. The first point is simply there is no good solid scientific reason to think that our using fossil fuels, our driving automobiles and so on is causing dangerous global warming.

In fact, to the extent that it is causing some, causing the atmosphere to be a little warmer than it otherwise would be toward the surface of the earth, it's doing the opposite up in the stratosphere, by the way, it cools the stratosphere by keeping some of the heat that's bouncing out towards space back toward the surface. But anyway, insofar as it is making the lower atmosphere a little warmer than it otherwise would be, there's no indication that that is net negative in impact. In fact, it's probably net positive. It's resulting in more plant growth, not only from the increased warmth, especially toward the poles, especially in winter, especially at night, which is where the warming is concentrated and when it's concentrated, But also because of the added CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 is essentially plant fertilizer.

Plants have to have it to do some photosynthesis and the more of it they get, the better they grow. For every doubling of co2 concentration in the atmosphere. You can average 35% increase in plant growth efficiency I did not know that yeah. Yeah plants grow better in warmer and cooler temperatures and in wetter and drier soils They make better use of soil nutrients. They resist diseases and pests better they improve their fruit to fiber ratio, and the result is more food for everything that eats plants or eats something that does eat plants.

That's fantastic for all life on earth and especially for the poor who need more abundant and therefore more affordable food. So we're not causing problems by that. And the notion that we need somehow or other to stop driving, to stop flying, to stop using fossil fuels, that's insanity, really. Okay. So let's kind of conclude things.

I'd like, maybe you've got a final question. I'll give you my final question first. What are the top three things parents need to teach their children about all these things? Okay. Well, the first one I would say is to teach them about God.

Teach them about the Creator who designed, made, and sustains this earth, and about his word that gives us the information we need to start with to understand this world properly. If kids really understand God and his creation, then they're not going to be so susceptible to being deceived by the kinds of arguments that come down the pipe from the climate alarmist movement. Another thing that they need to know is, to have drummed into their heads is just the essential importance of that verse that I quoted early on, 1 Thessalonians 5, 21, test all things, hold fast what is good. And this is particularly important when kids constantly get the message, oh, an overwhelming consensus of climate scientists, or an overwhelming consensus of all scientists, or 97% of all scientists think that global warming is real, that it's manmade and that it is catastrophic, right? All of those claims of consensus, that's not scientific reasoning at all.

Science is all about evidence and logic. It is not about counting votes. You know, politics is about counting votes. And the very fact that people resort to these claims about scientific consensus about global warming betrays how political the whole thing is rather than being scientific. So parents need to really train up and exercise their kids in learning critical thinking skills and not falling for what magicians have known for a couple of thousand years is the fallacy of truth by popular vote or consensus gentium or anything of that sort.

We have to be prepared to stand alone on the basis of evidence and logic, even if a whole lot of other people disagree with us. Amen. Jason? So, Cal, when I think about the origins of the earth and defending a biblical worldview of that against the opposing worldview, I immediately think of answers in Genesis. Is Cornwall Alliance aspiring to be that in the area of climate science, or is there such a thing?

Cornwall Alliance is, you know, for one thing, we're friends with the folks at AIG. Now, the Cornwall Alliance includes in its network of just under 70 scholars, and as I say, we've got good friends at AIG, we cooperate with each other in a variety of different ways. We are, I suppose you could say we already are the go-to source for a biblical understanding of creation care, of creation stewardship, but also, by the way, of economic development for the poor. Our mission really is to educate the public and policy makers on three things simultaneously and interwoven. The first of those is biblical earth stewardship.

The second, and we haven't really talked about that very much, is economic development for the poor. And why that's relevant to the climate change issue is that most of the policies that are being touted to fight global warming are things that would harm the poor all around the world, trapping them in longer term poverty. And frankly, poverty is a greater risk than anything related to climate. I mean, if you have income equivalent to about the bottom 5% of Americans, you can thrive in every climate from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert to the Brazilian rainforest. If you live on the equivalent of $1.50 or $2 per person per day, you can't thrive in the most wonderful tropical paradise.

And so we certainly don't want to fight climate change by trapping billions of people in poverty, which is exactly what we would do by demanding a shift from coal, oil, and natural gas as our primary energy sources, roughly 85% of all energy that we use in the world right now comes from those, to wind and solar, which are the opposite of abundant, affordable, and reliable. They're diffused, they're very expensive, and they're unreliable. And the result is that you don't provide the instant on demand, totally reliable, predictable electricity that is essential to lifting and keeping any whole society out of poverty. And then the third area that we concentrate on is the gospel of Jesus Christ together with the biblical worldview, theology, and ethics that come with that. And we try to interweave all of those.

And so that's, you know, our website is just loaded with hundreds of articles and a large number of major papers that address those things. And we have, by the way, a live stream program every Tuesday evening on Facebook that also gets posted on YouTube. So if people go to Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of creation on either Facebook or YouTube, they can see these live stream discussions with outstanding scientists and economists and theologians and the like. That's great. Cal, thank you so much.

I really hope that People will go to your website, read your books, catch your webcasts. This is a time really for the body of Christ to understand what the Bible says about man, the earth, and how to be a blessing, how to take dominion in the earth. So it's just really appreciate all the things you've brought to us today. May I just mention as we close here, that we have one book, short booklet that I think a lot of people would find very, very helpful as kind of an introduction to this. It's called creation stewardship, evaluating competing views.

And always We are happy to have a special offer on that, that if people will make a donation of any size, doesn't matter how small, and ask for that, just creation, stewardship, evaluating, competing views, we'll send a free copy of it to them and a hundred percent of their gift will be tax deductible. So all they need to do to do that is go to Cornwallalliance.org, click on the donate button, make a donation of any size. And then in the comments section, just ask for creation stewardship by title And we'll be glad to send a free copy. Oh, that's great. Yeah, we'll do that.

And we'll let everybody know about that. Thank you. And the other things that you're doing as well. So thank you for joining us. Thanks, Jason.

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