Paul White! How are you doing?

I'm very good. Very good. Blessed.

Good! So good to see you. I see that yoke of oxen behind you. You know I'm just thinking about, "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me."

That's it!

Hey, so we get to discuss Exodus 20-40. That's a big rope to pull in.

It is.

And then Matthew 24 to 27. So, we have this great privilege of starting in Exodus 20 when the Ten Commandments show up.

Right.

Every law of God is a law of love and then you know, Moses goes through and gives a number of case laws that cover lots of issues and we get to Chapter 25. We hit the tabernacle.

Yes.

The rest of it is just outfitting the Tabernacle for the worship of God on what all that means. So there's there's just a maximum of elements of imagery that help us understand Jesus in the tabernacle anyway. So that's the deal.

Here's just a comment to make about Exodus. In Exodus, it's really interesting. Redemption comes before the giving of the law.

Correct.

Of course, the whole theme of Exodus is deliverance. That God delivers His people from the bondage of that abusive traitor to God -- Pharaoh, you know. And this makes me think of just what a traitor he is. How you get no rest. You get no help. All you get is abuse from the devil and that's all the children of Israel ever got. But they got delivered.

Yes sir. When I read the Exodus, I try to always keep in my mind that almost perfect split half and half. And so when we hit Chapter 20 like you said, we're seeing the people come out of that bondage which Scripture testifies is a picture of salvation. So, we come out of the bondage and immediately the people of God are brought into His presence.

They receive the law. Like you said, the law of love, the glorious, perfect law of God are then taught to a people. This is what it looks like to be the people of God, called into his presence, given his commands, outfitted for worship.

I mean, I would imagine a large number of this group were probably just as idolatrous as they were in Egypt. Outwardly, they were told several times to get rid of their household gods and things like that. They needed conformity to God. And within that group, obviously, there were the true believers, the God-fearing Jews.

But, I'm just reminded of that picture. When a person is redeemed, immediately brought into the presence of God, the law of God put in the heart, made a part of a peculiar people. We, perhaps, could compare that to the local church, brought into a gathering of people, instructed in worship. These things, the average person and even the average evangelical, despises or has no use for these sections of scripture that are like you said, the the root and seeds of everything that Christ is for us in the gospel. I wish I could draw every parallel and find every nugget that's here. Perhaps in years to come I'll get there but there's definitely a lot here.

So, here is a story. I was out to lunch a couple hours ago and I bumped into a guy that got married at Sovereign Redeemer where Jason Dohm is a pastor. He's been married for several years and he said, "Hey I just had my fifth baby!"

"Really!" I said, "What's the name?"

He says, "I named him Exodus."

I said, "No kidding!" I'm going to go talk about Exodus this afternoon!" A baby named Exodus.

You get the grace, you get deliverance, and then you get the law from baby.

That's it! And even, you know, with the the story of the golden calf.

I mean, we're sort of set up even in these early chapters. See what type of people these were. Moses couldn't even get back down with the Law for them to already have been breaking the Law. God is so patient and so kind and so merciful to them.

Obviously, the intercession of Moses always reminds me of Christ's work on our behalf pleading before the Father. But to see all of God's work in bringing them out of Egypt, to gather them to himself, to speak to them -- which none of us have ever earned or deserve. We don't deserve to hear God's word. He speaks and reveals himself.

They immediately rebel, they're in rebellion. And through the intercession of Moses, God renews the covenant, makes new tablets, he reveals himself even further to Moses. These words in Exodus 34:6 are repeated throughout Scripture.

The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, the Lord the Lord a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin but who will by no means clear the guilty visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children to the third and fourth generation.

I mean, when you see that and we've all heard it or considered it, how can that be that he can be all of the first half forgiving and gracious and slow to anger.

And yet by no means clear the guilty. Again, driving us to Christ in every section. Again, like I said, I don't see how so many despise these Old Testament law books.

There's so much good here.

In fact in the case law section at the beginning, it's amazing how practical they are.

Yes.

Like, if you strike someone and they die, was it premeditated or was it not? That matters.

Yes.

Liability. You dig a hole. Somebody falls in it.

I may have lost you, I'm not sure.

You know, how to deal with false reports. Even one of the most remarkable laws was if you see a donkey that's overburdened and it belongs to your neighbor who hates you you should go take the burden off that donkey -- be nice to that donkey.

There are laws of love. They are amazing.

Yeah, it really is. And like you said, the practicality of these things -- if we would sit and just think about them for five minutes. We don't very often. If we would just sit and think about these things for just a few minutes and all of the implications of God's law, we would see his wisdom. We've got the the Library of Congress where we were constantly inventing inventing inventing laws and laws and all of this is the elaboration of just 10 words. His wisdom showing forth is incredible.

Yeah it is. And then you get to the section on the tabernacle. It starts out with the curtains. What it was torn at the crucifixion? We're headed that way!

We are.

You have the curtains, the altar. You have these priestly garments in Chapter 28 -- garments for the priests, for glory and for beauty. We get an idea of what purpose of clothing is, you know.

Yes.

You have these artisans filled with the Holy Spirit. It's just stunning. The beauty of the Tabernacle and how much God desired the tabernacle to be a beautiful place.

Yes. Yes. And Chapter 28 verse 29 -- Aaron shall bear the names of the sons of Israel and the breastpiece of judgment on his heart when he goes into the holy place to bring them to regular remembrance before the Lord again.

How do you not consider Christ bearing us into the presence of the father? I do not know. There is goodness here.

That's really amazing. At the very end here, in Chapter 39 verse 42, we read that Moses did everything the way that God commanded.

He didn't overlook anything. He constructed the worship of God for the people in a way that God explicitly described. He did it to the T and he found the artisans and everything that was necessary. But it just gives a witness to how important it is that only God can determine how we worship and what we do worship.

Yes sir yes sir. That's it.

So that's Exodus. Let's go to Matthew. You know, we're in Matthew 24 to 27 and it's just a very rich testimony. You know, Matthew 24, you know some people say that's one of the most difficult chapters in the whole Bible. I preached through it a few years ago and it is difficult. We really slowed them in Matthew 24.

At the bottom of it, here's what Matthew 24 says: God is in control of history. From beginning to end.And he ordains all calamities. You know, figuring out the timeline of Matthew 24 is a little bit more difficult but figuring out the governor of that timeline is not difficult.

You're right. And you mentioned from the beginning to the end God is sovereign over the timeline and I'm just looking here at Matthew 24:1. Jesus left the temple where we just finished out in Exodus 40 -- the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Amazing.

And I think here this is more evidence to the unity of Scripture. This is the glory of God finally exiting this temple for good and like you said, understanding these events is difficult. But what we're seeing is the conclusion, the summing up of all of that before as Christ himself comes to be the sum and substance of every bit of it.

And so this temple which he had referred to as "My Father's house," the end of Chapter 23, is now it's your house, your house is left desolate. He leaves and Christ is taking up the mantle of the consummation of all of these things at this point, which I think is awesome.

And he starts out there. The stones of the temple are going to come down, they're all coming down. The Old Covenant's coming down and Jesus by his resurrection is going to raise up the living stones and he's going to resurrect his church in new life. And he's going to make all his children priests and it's going to be a kingdom of priests and the old passes away and the new is introduced and Jesus says, "This temple is going down but I will be raised up."

Yes. These are these are rich pages. If we could put all that together, I tell my people often one of the benefits of reading through the Bible quickly is -- it is a long book. And very often like watching the beginning of a movie and then watching the end of it three years later, well, you're gonna forget what you saw when you when you read through Bible in big chunks quickly.

These things, they pop out so much easier if we could develop that but I think that's what we're seeing is the summing up of all of God's testimony to man in these sections.

Interesting, in Chapter 26, the Passover is in two days.

Everybody betrays Jesus except one person. She's a woman and she pours fragrant oil. You had a really bad life but Caiaphas, Judas, Peter, the disciples were going to sleep. Everyone flees. Peter says, "I don't know the man." And this woman doesn't deny him. It's really an amazing contrast.

I think that's good.

Now we get to 26 and 27 and you've got Judas.

And by the way, Jeff Pollard preached a really remarkable message about Judas at the Repentance Conference examining his repentance. That was so helpful. If there's anybody listening here, go to our website, look for Jeff Pollard in our Repentance Conference where he speaks of the repentance of Judas.

Yes sir. Very well done.

Judas looks like a real repenter but he's not. He does everything that we think people should do to repent. He gives the money back. He's sorrowful but he's the son of perdition. All the tears, all the restitution can be just on the outside.

Yes. And that should be -- and Mr. Pollard did a good job of this. That should be a fearful thing to us.

We should never take advantage of the idea or the words of repentance or what we might even ourselves produce on the outside. The Christian faith is a faith of serious, sober internal examination that I think we take too lightly most of the time. And Judas is a great example of that. What would a fearful thing. How awful it would be.

He was really sorry but he never really knew the Lord.

How awful it would be.

So what else stood out to you in this Matthew section?

Well, there's a lot in here. It piles on, section after section, bringing us all the way through to the Crucifixion which I think it seems like every Gospel narrative is just sort of filling in the the empty spaces to get there to show us the crucifixion and the resurrection.

And so, when we get by the end of Chapter 27, Jesus is in the tomb. I do think it's helpful to mention you've already said the curtain of the temple being torn. This event of the death of Jesus -- while Matthew doesn't seem to elaborate doctrinally, giving us all of the the spiritual meat behind this, he gives us a picture of a real catastrophic event. The death of Christ shook the earth. This massive curtain was torn from top to bottom and dead people come back to life and walk the streets which to us, that sounds about as "apocalyptic" as we could imagine and explaining that, we have is this account. I think it's pretty remarkable.

You get this picture in this last part of Matthew of what happens to your body when you die. You die, your body goes into the grave, and your spirit either goes to be with the Lord or it goes into eternal punishment. Then, at this time, at the end of the age, your body is resurrected and you come before the Lord. The spirit and the body are joined together again! And then you come before God in the final judgement.

But that's the trajectory of the body and the soul. The body dies goes in the grave, the spirit goes to the Lord, then they're united.

Yes sir. And that judgment point which was pointed out in Chapter 25. The New Testament -- well, all of Scripture is a reminder of judgment to come. Judgment is coming.

You will stand before God in that body right there and you will answer. This is a major theme. If we went back to that section, one of the points we could pull out from chapters 24 and 25, if you want to learn anything it's: be prepared, be ready, be diligent. The day is coming. It's not to be put aside or neglected.

And if there is one eschatological fact that's really clear: there's one judgment and it's a final judgment.

Hey, we've run out of our time. But I think this is really an amazing connection between the end of Exodus, the building of the Tabernacle, and then the collapsing of the temple, and the raising of Jesus. We've seen that whole picture.

We saw that beautiful curtain that was woven with these gorgeous colors and it's amazing. And it gets torn apart and then Jesus Christ is ruling and reigning. So there it is.

We really got an amazing picture from the Old and the New Testament. Like you said earlier, the continuity. We've we blown our time now, but Paul, thank you so much!

You're welcome.

It was so great to be with you!

You're welcome, you too! I've enjoyed it thoroughly.

Okay. God bless. We'll see you later!

You too.

All right, bye.

Okay. Hey, Paul White. How you doing? I'm very good. Very good.

Blessed. Good. So good to see you. I see that yoke of oxen behind you. You know, I'm just thinking about take my yoke upon you and learn from me there you can see it.

All right. Hey, so we get to discuss Exodus 20 through 40. That's a big, that's a big rope to pull in that it is it is. And then Matthew 24 to 27. So we have this great privilege of starting in Exodus 20 where the 10 commandments show up.

Right. And every law of God is a law of love. And then Moses goes through and gives a number of case laws that cover lots of issues. And we get to chapter 25. We hit the tabernacle.

Yes. The rest of it is just outfitting the tabernacle for the worship of God and what all that means. So there's just a maximum of elements of imagery to help us understand Jesus in the tabernacle. So anyway, so that's the deal. Here's just a comment to make about Exodus.

In Exodus, it's really interesting, redemption comes before the giving of the law. Correct. Of course, the whole theme of Exodus is deliverance, that God delivers his people from the bondage of that abusive traitor to God, Pharaoh. And it just makes me think of just what a traitor he is. How you get no rest, you get no help, all you get is abuse from the devil.

And that's all the children of Israel ever got, but they got delivered. Yes, sir. Yeah. When I read the Exodus, I try to always keep in my mind that almost perfect split half and half. And so when we hit chapter 20, like you said, we're seeing the people come out of that bondage which scripture Testifies is a picture of salvation So we we come out of the bondage and immediately the people of God are brought into his presence They receive the law, like you said, the law of love, the glorious, perfect law of God, and are then taught as a people that this is what it looks like to be the people of God called into his presence, given his commands, outfitted for worship.

I mean, they are, I would imagine a large number of this group were probably Just as idolatrous as they were in Egypt Outwardly, I mean they they're told several times to get rid of their household gods and things like that. I mean they they they needed Conformity to God and within that group the obviously there were the true believers the God-fearing Jews but I'm just reminded of that picture when a person is redeemed, immediately brought into the presence of God, the law of God put in the heart, made a part of a peculiar people you know we would we would perhaps could compare that to the the local church brought into a gathering of people instructed in worship these things the average person person and even the average evangelical despises or has no use for these sections of scripture that are like you said the the root and seeds of everything that Christ is for us in the gospel, which I think is I wish I could I wish I could draw every draw every parallel and find every nugget that's here Perhaps in years to come I'll get there but there's definitely a lot here.

So here's the story. I was out to lunch a couple hours ago and I bumped into a guy that got married at Sovereign Redeemer where Jason Dole was a pastor. He'd been married for several years and he said, hey, I just had my fifth baby. Really? I said, what's the name?

He says, I named him Exodus. I said, I'm kidding. I'm gonna go talk about the last half of Exodus this afternoon. That's good Baby named Exodus you get the grace first you get deliverance, and then you get the law from that baby. Yep yeah, and even you know with the the story of the golden calf I mean we're sort of set up even in these early chapters to see what type of people these were Moses couldn't even get back down with the law for them to already have been breaking the law and and God is so patient and so kind and so merciful to them.

Yeah Obviously the intercession of Moses I always reminds me of Christ's work on our behalf, pleading before the Father. But to see all of God's work in bringing them out of Egypt, to gather them to Himself, to speak to them, which none of us have ever earned or deserve. We don't deserve to hear God's Word. He speaks and reveals himself. They immediately rebel.

They're in rebellion and through the intercession of Moses, God renews the covenant, makes new tablets. He reveals himself even further to Moses. These words in Exodus 34, six, which are repeated throughout scripture. The Lord passed before him and proclaimed the Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the Children's children to the third and fourth generation. I mean when you see that And we've all heard it or considered it.

How can that be? That he can be all of the first half forgiving and gracious and slow to anger and yet by no means clear the guilty again to Christ in every section. Again, like I said, I don't see how so many despise these Old Testament law books. There's so much good here. Yeah, in fact, you know, in the case law section at the beginning, it's amazing how practical they are.

Like if you strike someone and they die, was it premeditated or was it not? That matters. Liability, You dig a hole, somebody's ox falls in it. You got. I may have lost you.

I'm not sure. You know how to how to deal with false reports. Even one of the most remarkable laws was If you see a donkey that's overburdened and it belongs to your neighbor who hates you You should go take the burden off that donkey go be nice to the donkey There are lots of love. They're amazing. Yeah, it really is and Like you said the practicality of these things if we would if we would sit and just think about them for five minutes We don't very often we would just sit and think about these things for just a few minutes and all of the implications of God's law, we would see His wisdom is...

We've got the Library of Congress where we were constantly inventing laws and laws and all of this is the elaboration of just ten words. His wisdom showing forth is incredible. Yeah it is. You know then you get to the section on the tabernacle, starts out with the curtains. What was torn at the crucifixion?

We're headed that way. We are. Matthew, but you have the curtains, the altar, you have these priestly garments in chapter 28. Garments for the priests for glory and for beauty. We get an idea of what purpose of clothing is.

You have these artisans filled with the Holy Spirit. It's just stunning the beauty of the of the tabernacle and how much God had desired The tabernacle to be a beautiful place yes, yes and Chapter 28 verse 29 Aaron shall bear the names of the sons of Israel and the breastpiece of judgment on his heart When he goes into the holy place to bring them to regular remembrance before the Lord again How do you not? Consider Christ yeah bearing us into the presence of the Father, I do not know. There is goodness here. Wow, now that's really amazing.

And you know the last, at the very end here in chapter 39 verse 42, you know, we read that Moses did everything the way that God commanded. And he didn't overlook anything. He constructed the worship of God for the people in a way that God explicitly described. He did it to the T and he found the artisans and everything that was necessary to do that, but It just gives a witness to how important it is that only God can determine how we worship and what we do worship. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That's it. So that's so that's Exodus. Yep. Let's go.

Let's go to Matthew. You know, we're in Matthew 24 to 27. And it's, you know, just a very rich, rich testimony. You know, Matthew 24. You know, some people say that's one of the most difficult chapters in the whole Bible.

I preached through it a few years ago. And it is difficult. We really slowed down in Matthew 24. You know, I, you know, at, at the bottom of it, here's what Matthew 24 says, God is in control of history, from beginning to end. Yep.

And he and he ordains all calamities, You know, figuring out the timeline of Matthew 24 is a little bit more difficult, but figuring out the governor of the timeline is not difficult to figure out. You're right, you're right and you mentioned from the beginning to the end God is sovereign over the timeline and I'm just looking here at Matthew 24 one Jesus left the temple or we just finished out in Exodus 40 the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle amazing and I think here this is more evidence to the unity of Scripture mm-hmm This is the glory of God finally exiting this temple for good. And like you said, understanding these events is difficult, but what we're seeing is The conclusion, the summing up of all of that before as Christ himself comes to be the sum and substance of every bit of it. And so this temple, which he had referred to as my father's house, the end of chapter 23, is now it's your house. Your house is left desolate, he leaves, and Christ is taking up the mantle of the consummation of all of these things at this point, which I think is awesome.

Yeah, and he starts out there in 24 that the stones of the temple are gonna come down they're all coming down yep and you know the old covenant's coming down and Jesus by his resurrection is gonna raise up living stones yes And he's going to resurrect his church in new life and he's going to make all his children priests and it's going to be a kingdom of priests and the old passes away and the new is introduced and Jesus says this temple is going down but I will be raised up. Amen. Yes, yeah this is um these are These are rich pages if we could put all that together. I tell my people often, one of the benefits of reading through the Bible quickly is putting this...it is a long book. And very often, like watching the beginning of a movie and then watching the end of it three years later, well you're gonna forget what you saw.

When you read through the Bible in big chunks quickly, these things just pop out so much easier if we could develop that. But I think that's, what we're seeing is the summing up of all of God's testimony to man in these sections. Interesting in chapter 26, you know, the Passover is in two days. Everybody betrays Jesus except one person. She's a woman and she pours fragrant oil.

He had a really bad life, but Caiaphas, Judas, Peter, the disciples are going to sleep. Everyone flees. Peter says, I don't know the man, right? And this woman doesn't deny him. It's really an amazing contrast.

Yep. Yeah, I think that's good. Now we get to 26 and 27 and you've got Judas and by the way, Jeff Pollard preached a really remarkable message about Judas at the repentance conference. Yes. Examining his repentance.

That was so helpful. But if anybody listening here, go to our website, look for Jeff Pollard in our repentance conference where he speaks of the repentance of Judas. Yes, sir. Very well done. Judas looks like a real repenter, but he's not.

Yeah. And He does everything that we think people should do to repent. He gives the money back, he's sorrowful, but he's the son of perdition. All the tears, all the restitution can be just on the outside. Yes, and that should be, and Mr.

Pollard, I think did a good job of this is that that should be a fearful thing to us. I mean, we should never never take advantage of the idea or the words of repentance or what we might even ourselves produce on the outside. The Christian faith is a faith of serious, sober, internal examination that I think we take too lightly most of the time and Judas is a great example of that what a what a fearful thing how awful it would be oh my yeah he he was really sorry but he never really knew the Lord. Yeah, how awful it would be. So what else stood out to you in this Matthew section?

Well, there's a lot in here. It just piles on sort of section after section, bringing us all the way through to the crucifixion, which I think it seems like every gospel narrative is just sort of filling in the empty spaces to get there to show us the crucifixion and the resurrection. And so when we get by the end of chapter 27, Jesus is in the tomb. I do think it's helpful to mention, you've already said, the curtain of the temple being torn. This event of the death of Jesus, while Matthew doesn't seem to elaborate Doctrinally giving us all of the the the spiritual meat behind this he gives us a picture of of real a real catastrophic event The death of Christ shook the earth.

This massive curtain was torn from top to bottom, which you've probably heard that opened up. Dead people come back to life and walk the streets, which to us is, I mean that sounds about as quote unquote apocalyptic as we could imagine. And explaining that this is all we have is this account, I think is pretty remarkable. Yeah, and you get this picture in this last part of Matthew of what happens to your body when you die. You die, your body goes into the grave, and your spirit either goes to be with the Lord or it goes into eternal punishment.

Then at this time, at the end of the age, your body is resurrected and you come before the Lord. Your spirit and the Spirit and the body are joined together again like they were on earth and then you come before God in the final judgment. But that's the trajectory of the body and the soul. The body dies, goes in the grave, the Spirit goes to the Lord, then they're united. Yes sir.

And that judgment point, which was pointed out in Chapter 25, the New Testament, all of Scripture, is a reminder of judgment to come. Judgment is coming. You will stand before God in that body right there and you will answer. This is a major thing. If we went back to that section, I think one of the points we could pull out from Chapters 24 and 25 if you want to learn anything, it's be prepared be ready.

Yeah be diligent the day is coming it's not to be put aside or Neglected. Yeah, and and if you if there is one Escatological fact that's clear day. That's really clear. There's one judgment and it's a final judgment. Yep.

Well, you know what? Hey, we've run out of our time, but I think that this is really an amazing connection between the end of accidents, the building of the tabernacle, and then the collapsing of the temple and the raising of Jesus. We've seen that whole picture. We saw the beautiful curtain that was woven with these gorgeous colors and it's amazing and it gets torn apart and then Jesus Christ is ruling and reigning. So there it is.

We really got an amazing picture from the Old and the New Testament. Like you said earlier, the continuity. Yes, sir. There you go. We've blown our time now.

Paul, thank you so much. You're welcome. It's so good to be with you. You're welcome. You too.

I've enjoyed it thoroughly. Okay. God bless. We'll see you later. You too.

See you. All right. Bye-bye. Bye.